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Computer problems

My machine is playing up from time to time . . . if my editing stops suddenly, blame it on computer failure - MPF 20:45, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

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Omigosh it's Wednesday 9 November 2005 !!

Why isn't it yesterday??

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My useful copy & paste notes

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The standard [[Binomial nomenclature#Authorship in scientific names|botanical author abbreviation]] '''.''' is applied to plants he described.

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Archive

Old stuff up to Apr 2005 Old stuff up to June 2005

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Welcome

Hello, welcome to Wikipedia.

You might find these links helpful in creating new pages or helping with the above tasks: How to edit a page, How to write a great article, Naming conventions, Manual of Style. You should read our policies at some point too.

If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on my talk page. If you made any edits before you got an account, you might be interested in assigning those to your username.

  • If you ever think a page or image should be deleted, please list it at the votes for deletion page. There is also a votes for undeletion page if you want to retrieve something that you think should not have been deleted.

Wanted to add my welcome, also. Thank you for all your effort on various pine species. You are obviously an expert. Feel free to say as much or as little about yourself as you wish at User:MPF -- hike395 22:58, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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Taxonomic stalking, taxobox, ToL and Categories

I hope you don't mind my stalking you.. I'm not really doing it on purpose... One of the things I like doing is adding/correcting taxoboxes and other taxonomic references. And since I generally use Recent Changes to find my articles, and you've been doing a lot of edits.... Hope ya don't mind! - UtherSRG 17:44, 29 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Thanks - much appreciated! MPF 19:06, 29 Jan 2004 (UTC)

MPF - stop by Wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life - we've modified the taxobox standards. - UtherSRG 23:25, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Please weigh in: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#MW_1.3_categories

As to the names Regnum, Divisio etc., I advise you to look at Taxobox components. The purpose of these messages is to allow easy translation of taxobox components for use in other Wikipedias. JoJan 05:38, 19 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Fibonacci numbers and Phyllotaxis

What I have written is available at Talk:Fibonacci_number/Phyllotaxis; please feel free to do whatever you like with it. -- Dominus 02:25, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started the Free the Rambot Articles Project which has the goals of getting users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to...

  1. ...all U.S. state, county, and city articles...
  2. ...all articles...

using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) version 1.0 and 2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to the GFDL (which every contribution made to Wikipedia is licensed under), but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles (See the Multi-licensing Guide for more information). Since you are among the top 1000 most active Wikipedians, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles.

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the {{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}} template (or {{MultiLicensePD}} for public domain) into their user page, but there are other templates for other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace {{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}} with {{MultiLicensePD}}. If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know at my talk page what you think. -- Ram-Man 20:23, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)

With regards to what you said on my talk page, I will put this in a simple fashion. Anyone using the GFDL can use Wikipedia's articles in their own project. But other open/free projects (WikiTravel for example) use a different, incompatible license, so we can't share with those projects and they can't share with us. What many of us feel is that the license that they use is better and that it's more important that more people be able to use our articles than it is that we keep them from always being able to be used at Wikipedia. Does that help to explain it? (Please reply at my talk page) -- Ram-Man 20:54, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)
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The commons namespace

Just thought I'd let you know: Wikimedia Commons is covered by the interwiki map. To make a link, use [[commons|(pagename)]]. Alphax τεχ 00:03, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)

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admin

Hi - I see you found my list of users with lots of edits who are not admins (I'm laboriously working down the entire list leaving everyone on it a message). The standard message I'm leaving is:

Hi - I made a list of users who've been around long enough to have made lots of edits but aren't admins. If you're at all interested in becoming an admin, can you please add an '*' immediately before your name in this list? I've suggested folks nominating someone might want to puruse this list, although there is certainly no guarantee anyone will ever look at it.

Just FYI, admins are voted on at WP:RFA. There are links from there describing the super powers they get (it's really not much - ability to easily revert a change, ability to delete/undelete articles, ability to "see" deleted articles, ability to block/unblock troublesome users, ability to protect/unprotect articles, ability to edit some articles regular users can't). Admins are needed to execute the final step of all the deletion processes, and often do things like watch all the recent changes (wikipedia:RC patrol). Nobody is suggesting you should want to be one, but if you do the process is somebody nominates you or you nominate yourself (on WP:RFA). I'm intending my list to be one way somebody who's interested can be found, but without self-nominating (some of the folks who vote on RFA take a dim view of "self-noms"). So, totally up to you (I'm intending to neither encourage nor discourage). -- Rick Block (talk) 21:10, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

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Carapa

If memory serves me Carapa is not monotypic - the other species may have been synonymised (don't have any reference handy) but I remember mention of other species. Guettarda 23:04, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

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Abies

Thank you for the interest to the topic. Feel free to upload the maps and any image you think appropriate for the topic. The maps you refer on, are designed after Farjon. They can be enhanced with Liu who gives more detailed maps. I've also one good image from Bulgaria and will upload it soon (a very big tree from the Pirin mountains). Best wishes Orjen 22:10, July July (CEST)

Hi, couldn't manage to reply earlier! A higher resolution image of Bild:Prastara jela Orjen.jpg is available. Additionally two more images from virgin fir forests in the Balkans are Bild:Jelka Orjen 1.jpg and Bild:Pirin fir.jpg. Thanks for putting the images on wiki commons.

Best wishes Orjen 11:00, 5 August (CEST)

  1. Maps of Abies? where can i find them?
  2. Do you by any chance have more images of abies grandis?

t.i.a., TeunSpaans 03:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

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Adminship

Hi, I keep seeing you name on the variants of the lists of people with list of edits that aren't admins. To fill you in on the detials in terms of admin responsibilites, adminship gives you the abiliity to rollback vandalism edits easily by adding a rollback button, you can delete things, you can protect pages, you can edit the main page and you can block editors. I see you asking for page moves on ToL, you'd be able to do that, other than that there's all sorts of deletion that needs to get done, vandalism to be rolled back, and if you don't mind getting caught up in politics there's dealing with problem users like vandals and 3RRR violators. It can suck up lot of your time if you let it, but by the same token you're not obliged to do anything, but if you have no intention of using the tools at all then there's probably no reason to become an admin. You seem to get along well with people which is a plus, anyway if you've got any other questions leave me a message.--nixie 03:27, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

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Image:W-white-pine.jpg

Hi Robbie - nice pic, but . . . there's a bit of a problem with this (and all forestryimages.org) pics: the non-commercial restriction makes it an invalid license for use on wikipedia. However, it is possible that the non-commercial restriction is invalid; if the photo was taken by a USFS employee in the course of their official duties, then the pic is in the public domain, and the restriction placed by UGa on its use is invalid. But if the pic was taken by a USFS employee during their own private time, then it is not in the public domain, and the restriction can be valid. As a general rule, it is best not to upload photos where there is any doubt over the unconditionality of the license - MPF 22:07, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

  • I understand your point, however the [1] site says the images are available for non-commercial use with attribution. Does Wiki have a license that covers that? In this case the person is a USDA staff member. How is this different from the images at The PLANTS Database National Plant Data Center (USDA)? Thanks in advance. Robbie Giles 00:13, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
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Cirsium edule

Michael, I have an image of Cirsium edule.

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Do you expect to add an article for it anytime soon? I plan to go to Lassen Volcanic National Park and points enroute next week and to return with more images. -Walter Siegmund 04:53, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

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Regulus regulus and color blind accessible graphics.

What a splendid image! Congratulations, if I may be so bold and they are appropriate.

I took the liberty of fiddling a bit with the Pinus contorta map with the help of a color blind friend. See Talk:Lodgepole Pine. I hope you approve, but if not, feel free to revert. BTW, the color blind subgroup on Wikipedea seems quite active on the Color Blindness talk page. Some of those users might be happy to comment as well. The links from Color Blindness to external web sites on the design of graphics for the color blind were not as helpful as I might have hoped. -Walter Siegmund 05:02, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

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Sheoak

  • By all means; I nearly did so myself. Sheoak is the common name for members of the genera Casuarina, Allocasuarina and Gymnostoma. Since these are the only three genera in Casuarinaceae, is it therefore true to say that sheoak is the common name for members of the family Casuarinaceae? I wasn't absolutely certain that it does, so I took the safe option. Snottygobble | Talk 01:21, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
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Trachelospermum

Thanks. I can't believe there wasn't a Trachelospermum article before. I'd like to say wouldn't it be wrong to have the common names there like that? I think it should be pointed out that star jasmine and confederate jasmine (or confederate jessamine) is the common name for T. jasminoides. Climbing dogbane is the common name for T. difforme. The only other species I know of in cultivation is T. asiaticum and it's common name is yellow star jasmine [2]. I think it's very important to make that clear because sometimes a common name is only specific to a species. I want to make it a section for the species and their common name like in the Gardenia article, let me know if this would be wrong though :) --Hecktor 00:47, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

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Black pepper

Hello there,

I was doing a bit of editing on Black pepper, and began to wonder why it was so plant-oriented (as opposed to spice-oriented), especially in its lead. I looked through the history and saw that it used to emphasise pepper as a spice until 7 September, when you reorganized it into a more botanical, less culinary form. [3]

I was interested on your thoughts as to whether it would be better to keep it as one article, covering both areas, or if perhaps it should be split into two, much like coffee and coffea. If you think a split is appropriate, I'd love your thoughts on page names as well.

Thanks! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 04:08, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. "The general principle that an article about X should start with a definition of what X is, before what it does, or what it is used for" is good in principal, but if you look at the "what links here" for Black pepper, it looks like it's almost all references to the spice, not the tree, so I'm still tempted to split the pages. I'll only split them if I expand them as well, though - I agree that for the moment, the size makes one page appropriate. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 18:33, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
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Plant taxobox pics

My personal opinion is that 240 px makes the taxobox too wide, and by adding pictures at 200px, I'm trying to set a new semi-standard... (I'll use 240 from now on, though. Thanks!) -- Eugene van der Pijll 16:47, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

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Cupressus bakeri trip report

Please see Cupressus bakeri trip report. Walter Siegmund 03:36, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for the sympathy and wishes. It was a good adventure and I learned a bit about preparing for such expeditions. -Walter Siegmund 00:41, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
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Taxus brevifolia

I've added some T. brevifolia pictures to the article. They are from Saturday a few kilometers north of Corvallis, Oregon where they are locally common. While not outstanding images, the help illustrate important features. Please make any adjustments that seem good to you. -Walter Siegmund 00:41, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Great pics! None of the trees with any cones ("berries") on? (a good crop, as always, on T. baccata here) - MPF 00:48, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
No berries are present this year according to my sources in Oregon. It was a bad year for cones in general (except for Mountain Hemlock and Douglas Fir). Thank you for the kind words about the pictures. I have Incense Cedar from southern Oregon and Whitebark Pine from Lassen Volcanic NP. I have some Juniper images from Lava Beds NM that I might need some help identifying. I think it is Western Juniper, but I'm not very familiar with Junipers. Also, I have Ponderosa Pine, Mountain Hemlock, Red Fir, and Lodgepole Pine images. -Walter Siegmund 01:10, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Always annoying when there's no cones (my western US trip was also in a poor cone year, tho' I did manage to collect cones of most species eventually (actually, if it had been a good year, there's no way I'd have got them home :-)). Maybe T. baccata's greater fecundity is part of the reason it is more successful (I've never seen a blank year on it, and often get bird-sown seedlings in the garden). You're safe on Juniperus occidentalis subsp. occidentalis, it is the only juniper in that area (it doesn't have a page yet, I'll do one for it tomorrow) - MPF 01:28, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
That is welcome news about your plans for a page for Juniperus occidentalis. I'll upload some images in a bit. Look for them in Commons:Juniperus occidentalis. One is from Hilt, CA, about 100 km west of Lava Beds NM, but looks very similar to the Lava Beds individuals, so I'm calling it J. occidentalis as well. Correct me if I am wrong. Thank you. -Walter Siegmund 01:45, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Done - Juniperus occidentalis. "One is from Hilt, CA, about 100 km west of Lava Beds NM, but looks very similar to the Lava Beds individuals, so I'm calling it J. occidentalis as well" - yep, sure is (and not far from where I got some of mine at Yreka) - MPF 14:49, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
In Commons:Image:Juniperus occidentalis 8224.jpg, is the brown feature that looks a little like a miniature Douglas-fir cone, the gall caused by the Juniper Tip Midge, Oligotrophus betheli? That was splendid (and quick) work on the new article, Juniperus occidentalis! Thank you. -Walter Siegmund 16:15, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
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Blue Pine Images

Thanks for the move - I just trusted the labelling on the trees. When it said Bhutan pine I foolishly believed it ! Velela 22:06, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

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Bristlecone pine

I was wondering about the Bristlecone pine edit, too, but hadn't had time to look into it. I think there are some clonal plants that may be older, but that is not quite the same as the oldest individual. Anyhow, thanks for fixing it. -Walter Siegmund (talk) 16:41, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

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P. contorta subsp. murrayana

P. contorta subsp. murrayana
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P. contorta subsp. murrayana

Hi, Michael, I wonder if you might be kind enough to check my ID of the individual in this image? The lower cone is very similar to the fourth one at http://www.conifers.org/pi/pin/murrayana.htm. But the youngest cone is much more prickly than my P. contorta subsp. latifolia image. Is that one of subspecies differences, or did I misidentify it? Thank you for confirming the ID of the Oligotrophus betheli gall on my talk page. That is fascinating. Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 03:14, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Michael, I've been learning about the Wikipedia geolinks templates. You may already know all this, but it was a pleasant discovery for me. See my talk page. -Walter Siegmund (talk) 23:32, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

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Thanks for the advice!

I will make sure to utilize it in the future. Muggwort17 12:20, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

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