Talk:William Ewart Gladstone
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The Second Home Rule Bill did not propose partition for Ireland. That was proposed in the Third Home Rule Act (1914) and became a reality in the Fourth Home Rule Act, also called the Government of Ireland Act, 1920. JTD 05:35 Feb 9, 2003 (UTC)
Nonconformist?
Gladstone was absolutely not a nonconformist. He was a high Anglican and this fact had a huge bearing on his life and beliefs. The error makes me worry about the veracity of the whole article.
- Heavens, we've been claiming that since 2001 [1]. That's rather embarrassing, I don't know how it is that no one ever caught that. Mackensen (talk) 19:46, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
Peer?
According to the article, Gladstone was 'the fourth son of the merchant Sir John Gladstones'. But later it claims he was the son of a peer. A knight is not a peer, and I can't find any evidence that John Gladstones was ever made a peer. Check a biography?
- Gladstones father never was made a peer. I'll check what the situation was with his exams & amend the article later AllanHainey 30 June 2005 14:00 (UTC)
- Gladstone did sit examinations for mathematics & classics, passed both. I can find no reference to him also sitting a seperate history degree or being disqualified from exams due to residency requirements so have removed that part. His father wasn't a Peer in 1831 although did become a Baronet in 1846, don't think thats a peer but it is irrelevant for the purposes of the article. AllanHainey 1 July 2005 07:43 (UTC)
- The Jenkins biography certainly fits with this. He makes it clear that Gladstone "did not pay the extra fees to be treated as a gentleman-commoner (sometimes called nobleman-commoner". Also "He did not work excessively hard at Oxford, except perhaps in the late summer and autumn of 1831, which culminated in his taking two 'Schools' Literae Humaniores and Mathematics, between 7 November and 14 December, and getting secure firsts in both. The feat was the greater because he was not really interested in mathematics. He merely absorbed the subject in order to get the coveted scalp of a double first." So based on Jenkins at least, he didn't qualify without examination, he didn't matriculate as a nobleman-commoner, and didn't study history. I suspect Jenkins would also have noted if Gladstone had been the first person to achieve a double-first. Mpntod July 1, 2005 10:31 (UTC)
- The piece about Gladstone getting he degree without examination was in the 8 volume life of Gladstone in the Oxford Union Library when I read it 20 years ago. The reference to history can be found on the St Deniols Library Web site, they would be likely to get details of that type right about their patron. Of course it is possible that they are simply listing an honorary degree granted long after he went down.
- Gladstone was not the first person to obtain a double first, but he graduated in the first year after Oxford had reformed the examination system.
- The Jenkins biography certainly fits with this. He makes it clear that Gladstone "did not pay the extra fees to be treated as a gentleman-commoner (sometimes called nobleman-commoner". Also "He did not work excessively hard at Oxford, except perhaps in the late summer and autumn of 1831, which culminated in his taking two 'Schools' Literae Humaniores and Mathematics, between 7 November and 14 December, and getting secure firsts in both. The feat was the greater because he was not really interested in mathematics. He merely absorbed the subject in order to get the coveted scalp of a double first." So based on Jenkins at least, he didn't qualify without examination, he didn't matriculate as a nobleman-commoner, and didn't study history. I suspect Jenkins would also have noted if Gladstone had been the first person to achieve a double-first. Mpntod July 1, 2005 10:31 (UTC)
Arms of W. E. Gladstone
On the article is a picture of a coat of arms attributed as belonging to W. E. Gladstone. As Gladstone never took a peerage, and presumably wouldn't have had a coat of arms already, is this attribution accurate. I thought the coat of arms would be that of his son Herbert Gladstone when he became a Viscount. Anyone know AllanHainey
He lives in my familys castle, the Hawarden birth rite. My name is Hardin now, but then it was Hawarden ----RobertHardin
